God Can Spot Faked Orgasms

Last night I listened to a teleconference hook-up between Ken Wilber
and Centerpoint's Bill Harris - funny how I like Monroe Institute's
Hemi-Sync CDs but HATE (sorry, your Holiness) Harris's Centerpoint's
competing Holo-Sync as well as what I view as their sales-pitchy
approach. I guess if I was to apply Wilber's 1-2-3 analysis technique
to that feeling, I'd come out seeing this dislike as a projection
from my own shadow. Okay, okay, I'll own it! (smile)
But in general, I found the discussion helpful, the basic idea
being to integrate the four basic fundamental perspectives (interior
and exterior views of the individual and collective: "I, It, We,
They) the three bodies (gross, subtle, causal) and the '1-2-3 of
God or three faces of Spirit (first-person, second-person and third-
person) The chat will be posted in a few days and, if accessible to
all, I'll link it here. It's definitely worth a listen, despite its
being basically a sales pitch for the Integral Life Practice Starter
Kit at the 'reduced price' of $199 (with a few extra goodies).
Searching for the above posting, I ran into Ken's hair-rising
account of his near-death gran mal seizure last December.
Definitely
worth a read!
The guy has an extremely debilitating health problem but,
despite it, is publishing multiple volumes a year. Amazing!

An excerpt from the Cohen-Wilber chat that may/may not apply to a
'devotion' discussion on a non-dual list:

COHEN: But when face to face with God in second person [I-Thou], one's
ego is on the chopping block. Unless an individual lines up with this
absolute dimension of spiritual evolution and transcendence, it won't
really matter what kind of experiences he or she has – the fundamental
narcissistic core will remain untouched. And unless a serious dent is
made in that narcissistic core, I wonder how deep our participation
can really be in the creation of the future. I really wonder whether
we'll be free enough to actually be able to do it, unless at the
deepest level we've been brought to our knees.

WILBER: That's an incredibly profound point. And I think you're right
that if we don’t come to terms with that in some way or another, we're
not going to actually be as free as we can be because, unknowingly we
will be mistaking some remnant of our ego – some remnant of our first-
person perspective that we have now turned into an I - I, an Atman,
a grand pure Vedanta witness – for the Absolute. That's the last refuge
of the ego.

COHEN: Absolutely. And the subtlety in all this is staggering.

WILBER: So you have to say: "Wait a minute: I have to face something
that I completely surrender to. I have to face something greater than
I could ever imagine myself possibly to be." You have to utterly
surrender with devotion and actually want to do it, because second-
person perspective carries a naturally welling-up of infinite Love
and gratitude. So it's not something that can be forced. If you're
forcing it, then it's not really a true transcendental surrender.
You're not truly in love; you're just faking it.

COHEN: That's right.

WILBER: And God can spot faked orgasms.